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RE:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/10/2009 20:38:04)
What kind of steering servo those the slash come with? Also no ball diffs..
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/10/2009 21:04:58)
Sounds good to me Matt...I F-ed up my Traxxas speedo so ive been running a Novak Rooster 12T BRUSHED speedo...It only has 4 profiles and has a Lipo cutoff...Other than that, mine is stock (like it matters with me..lol)...I was actually having a decent run in the Slash Main but my Friggin Lipo cut out about 5 minutes in...I am in desperate need of another Lipo...Anybody have one for sale?? CHEAP!! (Fireproof please)...Oh well, ill be back to run Slash this Saturday night...5pm right?? Oh and in all seriousness im glad no one got injured from the flaming battery...That made me think twice about how and where to store my Lipo...Lets rock n roll Saturday night...Tate, bring the driving music! I'll bring the strobe lights and fog machine :-P
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/10/2009 21:49:56)
Todd, brings up a good point with the Rooster having a LiPo cutoff.... that being said in some Classes the do a MSRP limit to the speed like 50 bucks or whatever .. may be something to try
Danny,
"What kind of steering servo those the slash come with?" You have a Slash so Im guessing your asking what servo does the SC10 come with? Its a kit so it comes with what you put in it.
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 13:00:47)
I dont have a slash, but i am looking in to getting one.
I think it should be stock slash motor, speedo and servo. No aftermarket upgraded parts. Only change aloud would be radio and receiver.
We should also start teching before the quals and top 3 after the main.
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 14:10:10)
I agree that we should run the Traxxas motor
I agree that we should be able to run optional radio gear
I agree that we should be able to run Lipo batteries
I agree on running kit tires (wheter it be traxxas tires on an associated or visa versa)
I like the idea of having a price cap on the speed control becuase I don't want to have to pay $60+ for a $hitty Traxxas speed control. For that kind of money I think we should be allowed to at least have some say in what we spend our money on. (And come on, when is the last time a speed control made the difference between winning and losing?- Especially if we cap the price at something cheap) A $60 speedo is going to run just as well as another $60 speedo, give us some say in it!
As far as servos I think the whole "Let's keep the plastic gear servos becuase then it would be fair" thing is a load of bull $hit! Metal geared servos are the way they are for a reason-being that the plastic gears STRIP! Metals gears do not give an performance advantage in any way shape or form over a plastic one. If you are looking to make a rule for servos than keep the rules to something such as the speed and torque, not what material the guts are made of!
Also to hit on just a few other things I see in this thread....
Danny - What's your deal with ball diffs??? Yes both slash and SC10 come with gear diffs. Diffs are not a speed related performance modification unlike electronics, so why do you see it a legitamate cuase to ban ball differentials??? I believe that changing differentials in a car is within anyone's legal right to setup their car ( It's no different than changing shock wheight oil, or adjusting camber).
Tate- Keeping everything limited to what comes with the slash is the worst possible idea. You have to accomadate both parties in a situation like this. You can not just keep one manufacturers products in all cars. WE HAVE TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE!!! That is why I (as stated above) believe that we should have some minor say in what goes into OUR OWN cars.
NOW- don't get me wrong here I want a "spec class" so we can all run together on an equal level. I do however believe that we should have some choice in what we use (while being within reason) and not being limited to brand specific electronics.
Thank you,
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 15:38:33)
Good points James, but you may want the waterproof servo and speedo after we add THE SIPPY HOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 16:29:47)
Tanous, please note one thing we are making rules to accomodate the SC10 guys. If we all had Slashs we wouldnt need to make rules it would be simple. #1 Keep all the electronics same brand makes it easy to tech. If we come up with all these specs on electronics whos going to monitor it? If I show up with a Hitec 10598 are you going to know off the top of your head what the specs are or price?? Also if people come out of town to run Slash and get to our track and see everyone running whatever they want how fair would that be?
#2 If you were to take your SC10 to any other track you would not be allowed to run in the spec class period. People went out and bought the Slash to run spec.
#3 A ball diff for the Slash is $60 ... and if you dont think it has a performance/handling advantage your nuts. Ball Diffs will not be allowed.
The problem with R/C is when a SPec class is introduced they quickly start adding rules and mods and ruining it.
Remember this stuff is SPEC... if you want to run all the Equipment why dont you just put it in a T4 and run that... they jump better handle better and you can run whatever tire you want.
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Reply To Tater
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 16:45:33)
Reply to Tater (05/11/2009 15:38:33)
Good points James, but you may want the waterproof servo and speedo after we add THE SIPPY HOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWWWW MANNN!!! What happened to the fire pit?  lol
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 17:19:17)
Matt-
As stated before I pesonally believe we should have some say in what we run. If we decide that everyone declares the stock slash stuff "spec", so be it.
I just wanna race and not have to pour a lot of money into getting cheaply made products so i can race with the majority- just my 2 cents
James Tanous
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 17:34:19)
Dont mean to throw a wrench in this discussion but what ever happened to just going out there and having fun?? I thought the point of club level racing was to get together with your friends once a week and have some fun times...If its going to start getting all serious and we get to the point where we need to "tech" vehicles before a race, im honestly not wanting to be involved...I can understand doing that at a state race where you can use the results on your resume to get money off of parts, but club level?? Come on fellas...Slash/SC10 class should be stock tires, stock motor...Everything else should be up to the one who is spending the money on his or her vehicle...Just my opinion there...Im down with whatever you guys come up with but I really dont want to see us getting off track "so to speak" on the fun factor to all of this...Just something to think about :-)
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 17:39:36)
Matt hit the nail on the head.
James i know the Slash electronics arent the best on the market, but i have yet to see any of them fail in the slash's at our track.
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 17:43:19)
Very good point Todd,
Let's keep the stock tires and motors and not tech like it's the Worlds race
I think we are losing sight of what has made this class so popular-FUN!!!
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 17:55:02)
Oh and I got the B4 put back together with the 13.5 in it...Should be much easier to handle around the track...Time to get back to learning how to drive...No backflips with this buggy...haha...Ok time to get ready for work....ugh
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 18:07:03)
Works for me, i have a GT7 ready to go and a Servo with .06 transit and 210oz of torque ready to go.
I can hear the new people now, why is his slash so much better than mine.
Well if you go buy a $160.00 esc, and a $110.00 servo you'll have the same thing he has.
Thats more than i paid for my whole truck.
Its ok, just through the electronics that came with it in the garbage.
Electronic's do make a difference.
I do feel a quick tech would be appropriate. just to check motor and electronics.
Dont miss out on next weeks Rendition of Ebony & Ivory, performed by myself and Dexter.
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 18:12:04)
James Tanous, The point of the Slash class is to get others into the hobby. The thing that makes it so popular is FUN and CHEAP. I can throw this back the other way... One could say "If I had known we were going to allow open electronics I wouldve purchase a SC10 so I could just run electronics I already had." How many kids can talk their dads into a Slash? Oh but wait when they arrive to the track NOBODY is running the stock electronics then they become overwhelemd with what to buy and how much more $$ they have to spend.
If its just club LVL racing then why do you have to run worlds equipment? If its just guys getting together to run toy cars then why use a computer system? Can we just race in my front yard?Take the transponders out. If you want to run what speedo, motor and servo you want RUN MOD TRUCK! Its really that simple.
I mean C'mon James did you actually think you could deck your SC10 with brushless and all top of the line stuff and race in the Stock class? Get with the program........you couldnt take your SC10 to any other track in the country and run it in the spec class.
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 18:33:35)
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 18:35:57)
Obviously I am mistaken with the intent of this thread. I thought it was intended to come to a common concencius on what we all believe should be considered "spec" equipment, but apparently we are just here to bitch at eachother. I guess since I am not Matt Mousher my opinion shouldn't matter nor be considered. Sorry posting my opinions on this class in the "Slash rule open discussion" thread-What was I thinking?! CHRIST
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 18:48:42)
You seem to be the only one not on the same page, lighten up.
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RE:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 19:37:56)
There is always ONE that just doesn't get it!!!!! Its only fun when people follow THE RULES. And rules have to be made because--well you know why.
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 20:05:27)
Danny stop starting $hit this discussion is over
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 20:30:20)
Tanous, chill bro we all love you..... your right we are all here for fun. Nothing more nothing less.
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 20:54:10)
My other three cents: I can kinda see the whole thing about new people coming into this and not wanting to feel overwhelmed...I used to feel that way too...Over time, I realized that on the club level, its more about just having fun and yes you have the added bonus of a lap counting system to see how fast you actually ran...I look at it this way and this is coming from someone who could give a rat's ass about ever being sponsored, racing in Japan, Korea, Hawaii, Guam, etc... To be able to share the drivers stand with the likes of a Dexter Smith, Zack Genova, Trey Cook, James Tate, people who I would not normally be on the same stand with at other events, is the reason I like club racing...(Tanous, you dont count cuz I run with you in Stock Buggy on the state level..lol) But thats what makes it so much fun for me...Its not about oh, im gonna beat you, its about hangin with some of the best drivers in the state and people who will often go out of their way to help someone else out and its in our own back yard (well a little further for me)...I think as long as new guys and gals that come out can have some fun and see that we are there to help them by giving set up advice, driving tips, etc, they will come back...All I want to know is am I allowed to use my Rooster Brushed ESC?? If not, ill leave the Slash home and just run my B4...I fried the Traxxas speedo and I cant afford to buy a new one...I need to buy tires and other things right now...Thanks
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:00:12)
I dont see the rooster as a problem.....
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:11:42)
Thanks Matt.. Ill bring the Slasherooni then...Dude, how the F did I get the fastest lap time in Slash Round 1??? Did you see that on the race results??? I cant believe that...If thats correct, im stoked!!
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:17:58)
Oh wait, I bet I cut the track on that lap...lol...Damn man, I was all proud and stuff...Im gonna tear up now ;-)
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RE:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:28:50)
i dont see any problem with other esc"s as long as there the 4 wire reverseable type and not a 3 wire 720 amp racing esc .servos should be rtr style any brand
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:29:26)
Fastest Lap - even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then .... hahah j/k Please note slash rules probably wont take effect for a couple months. Like I said in the drivers meeting the only thing that changes next week is the Spec motor. Everything else will be fine tuned
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Re:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/11/2009 21:34:45)
Fastest Lap and Back Flip all in the same day, thats just ESPN type stuff right there, I dont care who you are... haha..Ok, I gotta get back to work now...You can tell im really busy :-P
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Reply To D%20Paquette
(Date Posted:05/12/2009 05:35:06)
Reply to D Paquette (05/11/2009 21:28:50)
i dont see any problem with other esc"s as long as there the 4 wire reverseable type and not a 3 wire 720 amp racing esc .servos should be rtr style any brand +1 for the rtr speedo idea
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RE:Slash rules open discussion ...
(Date Posted:05/12/2009 10:13:33)
Here's my 2 cent's. I thought about getting the SC10 because I am big on Associated vehicles as you can see from the list below but I wanted to run in a stock/spec class which would mean buying all the traxxas equipment to run in that class. I once bought a B4 buggy to run in a stock class and got blown away by everyone who spent lots of $$$$ on thier stock buggy. This is the first time when I can actually race on a level playing field where all the other drivers have the same equipment as I. I don't want to go and race every weekend and keep losing to those who are running brushless motors and hight turn motors give that racer a better advantage because his truck is faster than mine because then it is no longer fun anymore. If you want to run different speed controllers, ball diffs, better and faster servos, and other hop up equipment then race in a mod class. The slash was meant to be realistic version of a real CORR racing truck. Lets keep it simple and race to have fun!!!!
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